New Stats Wanted

[paul123]

Have an idea for a new stat you would like to see in v5? Now is your chance to be heard. You must describe your idea in detail or it will be deleted.

[paul123]

Now here is a new stat I would like to see. PF-Cold call (W$SD) As we know a Cold call is when someone calls a raised pot with no money invested. Stats are available for calling raises (W$SD) for flop turn and river but what I am looking for, is how often a player slow plays strong hands pre-flop. I think a low % when combined with a high PF-Cold call would show this player calls raises with marginal hands where the reverse would show this player doesn't re-raise with strong hands pre-flop.

[rstevemccollum]

We have very helpful stats about an opponent's likelihood to fold the SB or BB to a steal from the button or cutoff. But, from the perspective of the the cutoff stealer, his principal hurdle is forcing the button to fold. So, how about a "folds button to steal from cutoff" stat?

Admittedly, this would be a fairly specialized piece of info, but...
I play only SNG's, and lately only 9P Turbo. This game is decided in about 40 minutes. The first 15 minutes are crucial. My style of play could be described as "situationally aggressive chip accumulation". I view situations, rather than cards, as offering the greatest potential. That is, good starting hands are rare, and good flops are rarer still. Since the pace of a Turbo is so frantic and good cards so rare, a player must resort to exploiting every situational opportunity, with or without decent cards. That means recognizing and attacking weakness, isolating short stacks, etc, etc, and stealing blinds when in the button and cutoff positions. Making the most of positional advantage is imperative, and afterall good position is the most frequently recurring opportunity. If one is not up to these tasks then he definitely should not be playing in a Turbo. It is not a safe enviornment for the timid. But, timid folks do play, and they fold their SB and BB to a raise from the button or cutoff 80 to 100% of the time. However, their rate of fold can't be assumed to be the same when they are in the button position. A hand that could not stand a raise in the small blind, might be playable from the button.

Another aspect of Turbo play is that it is entirely unforgiving. A player can recover from one mistake, but after two, you are usually crippled and headed for the rail. Thus, in the interest of fewer miscalculations, it would help to know the button's propensity for folding to a raise from the cutoff.

Now, since I have customized my HUD for the above described style of play, it would be hard for me to abandon one of my children. But, I would, I'm just not sure which. Thanks.

[Boothill]

i would love to see the ability to make a buddy list, i keep a list on paper of people i look for (fish) its kind of hard to keep track of though, but if you had the ability to keep track of them on PE and search the entire list for who is playing and who isn't when your logged on, this would be an outstanding feature in my opinion

[BrandonSexton]

One important stat that I have heard people mention other programs having but not PE is "fold to continuation bet". As a tight aggressive player this would be really helpful to me as I play relatively few hands and alot of times I need to take a stab at the pot on the flop if I miss. As it is now I can only really get this information by being in position and looking at my opponents FL AGG. If they check to me and are 1.5 or higher on the FL AGG I can be fairly sure they are either slow playing a monster or missed the flop, so I can take it down with a bet. If I am out of position this does not help me so much. A fold to continuation stat as included in other programs would really hit the spot IMO. Even better still, a "fold to continuation bet on FLOP" and "fold to continuation bet on TURN" might be even better but I am not going to be too picky. I was also thinking that more slots for stats in the HUD would be useful but from the sound of it you guys have that covered already.

Last but not least what I feel PE is really missing is tracking of SnG win rates. That was the main thing that drew me to PE along with the HUD and when I realized that PE would not tell me how successful my opponents were at SnGs I was disappointed. Poker prophecy has this as well as sharkscope but I dont feel like I should be subscribing to more than one monthly service when there is no reason for PE not to be able to do this. I think the vast majority of PE users who play mostly SnGs like me would agree with me on this. It is an important thing that PE does lack. Thanks for taking our suggestions Chad. Hopefully V5 will be the perfect poker tool!

[Chad Rea]

Hi Brandon,

I really like the idea of a "fold to continuation bet" set of stats. I'll submit this to the team...

The problem with Poker-Edge tracking tournament win rates is that it's not a part of the Hand History (current player statistics). Tournament results are not a part of the game, but results after a game is over.

But, seeing as I'm purely a tournament player myself, I agree with you on both points...hopefully we can add more features that suit the needs of tourney players...

CR

[Boz]

What I'd really like to see more than anything, is an expanded "view recent showdowns". I use this more than anything really, as it gives me a pretty good idea what kind of hand range I'm up against. Plus I get an idea of what they'll bluff with.

Thanks!

[Chad Rea]

Hey Guys,

Thanks for the suggestions...

g-man: Thanks for the critique, I really appreciate it. Since I don't have time to play around with PokerTracker, I've wondered what people really thought about the pros/cons regarding PT vs PE.

I would also like to see the ability to track tournament winnings implemented into Poker-Edge and all of the stats that go with it...the problem is that it's a completely different mining method than Poker-Edge. Poker-Edge captures live game play, i.e., hand histories. These occur only while playing in a game. Tracking tournament results has nothing to do with live play, rather, independent scanners that simply track tourney results after games are over.

I don't recall how many poker-sites Shark Scope scans (maybe 7?)....and that's all they do, track tourney results...it would be quite an undertaking at this time to add enough servers (and all of the miners we'd have to build) to track the 100+ sites that we support.

CR

[JohnnyTropic]

I concur WHOLEHEARTEDLY about the expansion of showdown hands! Too often there is a blank screen or just a couple hands when the player has been counted with 100s or 1,000's of hands tracked.

This feature alone graphically depicts a LOT of the stat numbers in one spot concisely that you would have to otherwise scan, decipher and analyze. %of showdown, calls, bets, r-raise etc at a point helps but seeing it in action with actual cards played is priceless. It also helps to ID types of cards they play AND how they play them. Perhaps adding a YxBB ratio would help. In other words under "Bet" (or whatever action) a number like 1.5 or 5 or POT for 1.5 times BB bet, 5 times BB bet, or bet the POT.

[Korbel]

Hi Guys,
I'm not sure if this is a new idea, but
what do you think about stats

preflop raise-reraise-fold (also flop bet-raise-fold, turn, river).

[dmpokerplayer]

I know a great player that sometimes reraises on the flop even when he misses it... when he truly believes the opponent has nothing or is weak enough to fold. But he does that in a B&M game where he can get a very good read.

I don't do that so much in online play. Short of two pr or better. And then I generally want more action.

[Korbel]

DM, i mean

player1 - bet(raise)
player2 - raise(reraise)
player1 - fold

this stats indicate how offen player1 fakes a bet(raise)

[paul123]

OK, Now I understand. Not sure what it would be called preflop but you are pretty much looking for c-bet then fold stats. This has been suggested but I am not sure if it will be implememted in v5.

[steelhouse]

What I would like is to know the average size of their raises over the last 100 hands.

2X (1.5X-2.5X) 8%
3X (>2.5X -3.5X) 23%
4X (>3.5X-4.5X) 12%
5X (>4.5X-5.5X) 9%
> 5.5X 50%

Also many people make a full size bet on the flop when they have it and a 1/2 size bet when they don't.

1/2 pot 12%
3/4 pot 50%
1 pot 24%
> 1 pot 13%

It would be nice to somehow show hand quality in there too. Average hand percentile at showdown.

[Chick3nWings]

Have an idea for a new stat you would like to see in v5? Now is your chance to be heard. You must describe your idea in detail or it will be deleted.

Dude, if i got the following feature added, i'd never ask for another thing:

an odbc connection to your db