Low played hand stats on full tilt

[fmarriott]

I'd like to know if the stats displayed on PE are from my locally obtained hand histories? or from a central server? I thought the latter was the case. However, when I play, many players have less than 50 hands played. Some of these players I know for a fact have been playing on FullTilt as long as I have, so I was wondering why that was the case. Even my own stats started around 800 hands when I first installed PE, now it's up to about 6k. But I've been playing for quite a while. I assume it may be because PE has not been mining Fulltilt until whenever it started supporting the site, but I don't know when that was. I suppose I can search for it.

Fred

[Boothill]

welcome to the forum fm

hand histories are gathered whenever a PE member is sitting at a table or watching a table and data mining

are your filters set correctly that may be part of the solution or it just may be that at the level your playing there hasn't been alot of members playing

there are so many players on FT that there are certainly going to many that a person will never play with, therefore will only have a small sample even if they have been there for a long time

the other thing is alot of the PE members atleast the ones on the forum, play alot more tournaments than cash games so that may be part of it too

i usually play stt on FT and will usually find pretty good stats on most of the players but not all

Boot

[dmpokerplayer]

fmarriott,
Most of the info for what you're asking about is written up in this other post in the HowTo section:
What methods does PE use for collecting data on opponents?
http://forum.poker-edge.com/viewtopic.php?t=1843

PE doesn't use your old hand histories per say... and the PE servers don't collect on every table for us... per say. The PE servers do collect/datamine many tables... I'm pretty sure that most of their PE server direct datamining is of cash tables on a few pokersites... but I'm not privy to exactly which pokersites or exactly which stake levels.

Other than the tables that the PE servers datamine directly... all datamining of tables and players is accomplished "in realtime" by PE members playing at tables... and PE members watching/datamining tables that they aren't playing at. Every player sitting at those tables is being collected on. PE does look at handhistories but only in realtime. They don't use our old hand histories (like PT does).
So a couple days a week I'll watch 14-16 tables on FullTilt at my stake levels... for several hours. I do this so that I'll have data on the vast majority of opponents at the tables I play at. At the highest stake levels there aren't very many "new" opponents... so I end up with data on 90% or more of the players. At the lowest stake levels there are more new players so I end up with data on 70-90% of the pkayers. So I'll see thousands of hands on some guys, hundreds of hands on some guys, some with less than a hundred, and 1-3 with zero data collected on them so far. The ones with thousands collected on them tend to be regulars at higher stake levels. The ones with zero data have never had a PE member collect on them before. You started at 800 or so hands because a PE member has collected on some of your tables in the past. And because the data is kept in a centralized database... you benefit from my data collecting... and I benefit from yours... if we play some of the same stake levels on the same sites.

PE is working on a new approach where they will datamine all tables from their PE servers... and players won't need to datamine anymore. But by all I don't know if they mean all cash tables or all cash/sng/mtt tables. And we don't know exactly when they'll put the new server architechture in place.

Hope this helps,
DM

[fmarriott]

Thanks for the feedback. I think once the stats are gathered from a central server, it will make the data more useful. The players that are profiled based on less than a few hundred hands may be misleading in the short term.

[dmpokerplayer]

"The players that are profiled based on less than a few hundred hands may be misleading in the short term."

That's not really true. Or more specifically... it depends on whch stat.

The basic stats like vp$ip, pf-raise, pf-coldcall and the aggression stats (fl-aggr,tu-aggr,ri-aggr) are fairly accurate after only a few dozen hands (like 40+). And these are the primary stats that will influence your decisions the most. Of course having 100+ hands is better, but I trust these by about 40+ or 60+ hands.

w$sd and related stats become fairly accurate after only say 100+ hands... and are pretty darn accurate after say 150+.

Some of the more specific stats take more hands to show accuracy, but that's because they are so specific. Checkraise stats and riverraise stats are about things that don't happen all that often. So they fall into this category.

And of course there are some stats that require a very large amount of data... like bottomline and bb/100. But thats because they are about how profitable a player is over time... or per hour. So you'd need to see a lot of hands from that player to have a decent level of accuracy. Even a couple thousand hands may not be enough. But the limited accuracy of say 800+ hands here is better than having no idea.

So since most decisions involve stats that really don't need a ton of hands for accuracy... having poker-edge by your side becomes very helpful. Of course... more is better.

But you can always create more by datamining your pokersite and stake level. And there's the advantage created where we help each other out by all contributing to the same centralized database. This allows my datamining of Full NL SNGs on FullTilt to benefit you... if you play those.